Here it is. A defining moment for America. For the world. And for history. As America stares down the possibility of Donald Trump invoking the Insurrection Act to send federal troops into Minneapolis—and maybe Detroit next—Genesee County Sheriff Chris Swanson joins Independent Americans host Paul Rieckhoff for an urgent, no-bullshit conversation about power, policing, and how we stop this runaway train before it jumps the tracks. From ICE raids that are “a weapon, not a tool,” to masked federal agents, to what happens if active-duty troops roll into your town, this episode is a frontline briefing from a cop, firefighter, medic, professor and now Democratic candidate for governor of Michigan who has literally walked protesters away from the brink of violence. Sheriff Swanson breaks down how ICE is cannibalizing local law enforcement, what real police accountability looks like after George Floyd and January 6, and why he still chose to run as a different kind of Democrat in a state where independents and disillusioned voters may decide everything.
Rieckhoff and Swanson also go deep on leadership, discipline and what it takes to be a “choose your fighter” kind of public servant in 2026—covering Swanson’s bodybuilding and Ironman mindset, his near-vegan lifestyle, daily gratitude practice, and how “command presence” can calm a city or light it on fire. They dig into Michigan’s high-stakes governor’s race, the surge of independent voters, how Democrats lost the working class, and why Swanson is “burning the ships” with no Plan B. And they still find time for something good: youth sports, Lions heartbreak and hope, and a shot of inspiration for anyone feeling beaten down by the news but still ready to get off the couch and get in the fight.
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